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susan rice and john kerry. you can look at the politics on either way. boy you can't back down on this opposition, on the other hand, is this a fight he wants to have? >> to have a nomination fight over secretary of state is really an unusual and shocking thing. and so, i think that, probably in the end, he doesn't do it. but i do think that it is -- but he, again, he put her in this position and then -- then she gets the opposition and then he says, well, i can't name you. it's unfair. maybe in the end, he realizes that. >> well, i don't think we should link whether or not she -- what happened in benghazi and whether she gets the nomination. i would hate to conclude that the reason she doesn't get that nomination is because of this stuff that just happened. they're not necessarily connected. i just want to -- >> talk radio is just full of benghazi. it is a big issue. >> which is amazing to me. in 1982, we lost 241 marines in lebanon and the country came around president reagan, you didn't see all of this partisan bickering -- >> wait. wait a minute. >> -- we came together and
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